Sail Date: January 2009
I obviously can't speak for everyone who has sailed on the dream, but i do think some people get on the ship and concentrate all their time on finding faults.On one of the previous reviews,one of the passengers complained that the ... Read More
I obviously can't speak for everyone who has sailed on the dream, but i do think some people get on the ship and concentrate all their time on finding faults.On one of the previous reviews,one of the passengers complained that the only place on the ship to get any peace and quiet was in his cabin.Did he not visit the argo lounge,the library,the deck behind ladontes or the side of the ship which was decked out with sunbeds and a lot of snoring.The word nitpicking springs to mind. Well humpty,jumpty.trumpty,stumpty.grumpty and lumpty had an unbelievable time. Let me start with negatives.Thomson should employ someone to look after sunbeds because far too many people put towels on sunbeds and then get off the ship to visit a port and return 6 hrs later.You then see people walking round the ship looking for a sunbed which can cause friction. Also you can get an odd whiff but very rarely. Trips are a bit expensive and some of the ports repetetive and boring. Positives. Staff fantastic,food amazing.entertainment unbelieveable.You really have to try and vary your options of an evening to take everything in.Quizzes of an afternoon in sirens and evening in the medusa were a great laugh. The shows in the amazing atlanta theatre were of a really high standard,great dancers,great voices,some really talented people. Auctions,comedians,bingo wahay,competitions,karaoke,you really could not ask for much more. If like us you are on the all inclusive package,you will not be disappointed,but be warned,do not go to casino after a few too many,because when my bill came under the door my missus found it first,oh oh. The only people who were'nt smiling on board were professional whingers. The captain was also good for a laugh and we will definitely be sailing on the old lady again.Agood time was had by all. P.S.9 euros return to rome if you go by train 45 mins. Read Less
Sail Date: May 2009
having just returned from being on the thomson dream 25/5/10 this ship was in dry dock and started sailing this April having belonged to costa line and now owned by thomson it is due for a major ref-fit in October in my opinion this ship ... Read More
having just returned from being on the thomson dream 25/5/10 this ship was in dry dock and started sailing this April having belonged to costa line and now owned by thomson it is due for a major ref-fit in October in my opinion this ship should not be on the high seas its not fit for the purpose previous reviews state a few teething problems you only get that with a new ship the staff on board where not rude however it would have been nice to get a smile now and again instead of walking about with there heads down this reflected the general mood of the ship so this review will have not to many positives the food was adequate as long as you didn't burn your hands from the steam that was belching out from between the food containers the very long queues only caused by poor management ie same line for hot or cold food they should have been separated making two lines i had to put up with flies in the cabin they looked like swamp flies and house keeper had to put fly killer down toilet and shower every day remember the word swamp it will become apparent walk through passageways that where sodden with water and engineers working on cabin toilets these should have been closed off for heath and safety reasons air condition not working correctly too hot or cold and now the worst part the smell in particular near the restaurants it was sewage like so think what i was walking on carpets ugh there was always constant activity with workmen trying to fix the toilets that didn't work flooded cabins water that came out the taps jet black in colour in my opinion and there guests Thomson's where only making money to help pay for the refit in October from ordinary people i could go on all day about this ship was way below standard Read Less
Sail Date: September 2009
We were first time cruisers and went with Thompson as they had been recommended. We had read the reviews and were somewhat aprehensive about the ship. We were extremely surprised. Yes, we had a smell in our cabin of sewage and once we ... Read More
We were first time cruisers and went with Thompson as they had been recommended. We had read the reviews and were somewhat aprehensive about the ship. We were extremely surprised. Yes, we had a smell in our cabin of sewage and once we highlighted this to reception, we were moved into another room. (The ship is in Germany for a month before it goes to the caribbean for maintenance and this will be sorted then, so no need to worry) The rooms were extremely clean and comfortable. Beny, our cleaner was polite, friendly and helpful. The rooms are cleaned in the morning and at night, with a turn down service at night with a cruise information for the next port and a chocolate on the bed. Linen and towels clean and in good condition. The food is out of this world. If anyone has complained about this then they weren't on the same ship as us.I am a vegetarian and extremely fussy and there was always plenty of choice. If i wanted something specific, all you have to do is ask. The service from the waiters are second to none. Plates, glasses and crockery sparkling. I commentated one night about a dish i liked and they brought me another one out to eat. They also have a good memory and remember your drinks so you don't have to keep ordering. The entertainment is varied and the shows are fantastic. The entertainers are always friendly and chatty. The check in and out service is pain free. The cases are brought to your room on arrival and took away on departure. You are fully informed of everything that is happening. Once a day, just before sailing, the captain comes over the intercom and talks the ship. These were entertaining and well received. We had the all inclusive drinks package, and this well worth having. The drink prices are the same as the UK. They have a duty free shop which is cheaper than the airports. The photos are a bit pricey though but there is no pressure to buy. The gym is well equipped and we used it. The excursions are varied and the tour guides are helpful and local people who know the area. We will definitely be booking to go on this ship again, this time for two weeks. Read Less
Sail Date: January 2010
We had a wonderful cruise. Yes, there were problems but we were SO lucky we didn't have anything really major go wrong for us personally. The problems with the ship seem to be taking over the enjoyment of the actual cruise for alot of ... Read More
We had a wonderful cruise. Yes, there were problems but we were SO lucky we didn't have anything really major go wrong for us personally. The problems with the ship seem to be taking over the enjoyment of the actual cruise for alot of people which is a shame. The crew, staff and entertainment team are fantastic, they work so hard morning, noon and night. Every member of staff we met had a smile on their face despite all the difficulties they were encountering. It isn't there fault when things go wrong. Our cabin was a nice double/twin with bath/shower. The pressure in the shower was actually better than our one at home! We had a nice picture window so we could see out. Being on deck 7, central we were quickly able to get to one of the staircases to get to other decks. The food was good, we had no complaints. We visited some lovely islands - some to return to, others not! We did some tours with Thomson and some places we did our own thing. The Cuba Experience is a waste of time and money (hard going if you are not fully able or have children!) - they take you to a Rum factory which is smack bang opposite where the ship is docked! Walk around Colonial Havana yourself it is safe and very interesting. If you want to see Revolution Square (not really very much to see!) get a taxi there. Spending Christmas and New Year on a Caribbean Cruise was brilliant. Sitting in the jacuzzi on Christmas Day morning drinking Bucks Fizz and listening to all the Christmas songs like Slade and Wizzard was amazing! New Years Eve we partied until 2.30am and left it still in full swing on deck. An experience never to have missed. If you are booked to go on the Dream DON'T cancel - it is worth going. The cabins are good, the Thomson atmosphere is definitely there. We really did enjoy it (even the half hour fire drill at almost midnight didn't put us off - despite ALL crew called to man the lifeboats - we were a haresbreath away from abandoning ship!). Read Less
Sail Date: January 2010
I'll start with the only negative - We didn't get off to a good start as we were delayed for 9 hours going out, the only consolation was that we didn't have to hang about the airport all day as Cruise Deals telephoned us the ... Read More
I'll start with the only negative - We didn't get off to a good start as we were delayed for 9 hours going out, the only consolation was that we didn't have to hang about the airport all day as Cruise Deals telephoned us the night before to inform us of the delay. As we embarked at Havana -the delay resulted in not being able to see Havana by night but we did at least manage to see it the following day. We feel privileged to have seen Havana as it is a city like no other,it's like stepping back in time, full of character and surprisingly elegant. All the other ports of call were good apart from the Dominican - this was because the port were we docked was a poor port and as we only had a few hours in port we didn't have time to explore very far. The ship Our cabin was an inside standard cabin on deck 6. We had no plumbing or air con problems and the cabin was spotlessly clean. The food around the ship was very good to excellent with a large varied choice daily. We dined in the buffet restaurants for breakfast and lunch, usually Sirens as we preferred that deck for the pool and dined most evenings in the Orion which was excellent. We also dined on one occasion in Sirens in the evening at a supplement of 20.00 pounds and the food was excellent and it provided a change for us but we didn't feel it necessary to do it again as the food is so good everywhere else. The entertainment team are very professional and talented, headed by Stephen Guy and Gavin who are excellent. Some reviews have criticised the appearance of the ship. Like other Thomson ships this is not a new ship but is kept spotlessly clean. If I want to be critical I would say that it could benefit from some new carpets in the main Lido restaurant and along some of the corridors but other than that this is a lovely ship. All the bars are lovely and in my opinion do not need any refurbishing, the pool areas are comfortable with plenty of sun beds. The Thomson Dream has all the ingredients for a fantastic holiday - excellent food - excellent entertainment - and last and certainly not least THE STAFF who I can't praise enough. Read Less
Sail Date: April 2010
We booked our cruise in advance looking forward to the new ship that Thomson has marketed as the flag ship the dream, this is where the dream stops ! the long wait at the port terminal as we sat on the coach as a party of 8 we where ... Read More
We booked our cruise in advance looking forward to the new ship that Thomson has marketed as the flag ship the dream, this is where the dream stops ! the long wait at the port terminal as we sat on the coach as a party of 8 we where informed that due to instruction by the police only one coach was allowed to embark at any one time we where in Que of 12 coaches, what a load of bull ! However when we eventually got on to the ship we where allocated our cabin we found this to a good size, however the air conditioning did not work along with tv, one socket did work and the shower was intermittent, the cabin staff where very good along with the other crew, we had booked the all inclusive drinks package paid for in October 2009, on the desk in our cabin was letter stating that due to the fact that thomson paid for their supplies in euro that the drinks would no be restricted and any others that was on the list would attract a supplement, we complained in writing to the customer service desk got no answer so complained again to be given a letter to say we would have to contact the head office, how easy could it be for them to recompense by giving some credit, However we will continue to pursue this situation, the food on this is not as good as we have had in the past on other ships, The plastic tray plate is like being in a 1970s transport cafe and not a cruise ship, the service staff are very good but the management could do better in getting information and instructions to the right people,The entertainment with the residents band on the week of the 27/04/10 was very poor and did not do any thing for the ship, and would drive you to Drink ! the week we where on I would rate the ship on Parr with a 3* resort hotel and certainly not a flag ship, To sum this up the ship was not fit to sail and they are trying to carry out improvements in the move when this should have been done before any thing else bad drainage smells and items requiring repaired,fitting new carpets etc etc Some areas of the ship look tired and need attention, Read Less
Sail Date: April 2010
Firstly we spent over an hour sitting on the coach at the port waiting to check-in. Then on disembarking from the coach were led into the check-in area where we stood in line for over an hour waiting to check in. No welcome drink and only ... Read More
Firstly we spent over an hour sitting on the coach at the port waiting to check-in. Then on disembarking from the coach were led into the check-in area where we stood in line for over an hour waiting to check in. No welcome drink and only a few tables (where I parked my mother who is in her eighties) until I got to the front of the queue. Then we were led into another shed to identify our luggage before proceeding on to the boat. We had an inside standard cabin which was roomy but the first night was like sleeping in a sauna because the thermostat didn't work. Went the next day to complain about the heat and sure enough someone did arrive later that morning to fix the problem. Only thing is from the second night owards the cabin was like a fridge, complained again but nothing was done. Television also didn't come on until the last two nights of the cruise and we had no hot water, on the last night resorted to having cold shower. Only two restaurants open, the Andromeda (24 hr buffet) and the Orion (Waiter Service). We ate in the Andromeda and on our first visit we picked up an oval plastic tray and I thought this was the tray, but no you had to eat off this! Only had cups in the morning, the rest of the day you had blue or green plastic mugs which were awful. I have been on all the Thomson Cruise Ships ie Celebration, Spirit, Destiny and Emerald and found this to be my worse experience. Passengers should not have been allowed on until the ship was ready. Certainly not a 5 star ship, would give it only 3 stars. Read Less
Sail Date: April 2010
This was my first cruise and wanted a safe environment so decided to give a cruise a go. The single occupancy for some cruise liners were stupid. Anything from 50-100% of cabin cost. Thomson had the best offer on Thomson Dream. She had ... Read More
This was my first cruise and wanted a safe environment so decided to give a cruise a go. The single occupancy for some cruise liners were stupid. Anything from 50-100% of cabin cost. Thomson had the best offer on Thomson Dream. She had plenty of cabins and the rooms were not a bad size. The bathroom was spacious and clean and plenty of closet room. There were sports activities on deck 12 every day as well as fitness classes. Quizzes to take part in. Unfortunately the crew had only managed to get to the ship a day or so before due to the ash cloud stopping flights so they were learning as they went. As I said in introduction, teething problems. However when they got the hang of it they were marvellous. We spent a 10 1/2 shore excursion in Italy visiting Florence and Pisa. And amazing day but tiring. The second was Villefranche, Nice, Monaco and Monte Carlo which was a fantastic tour. The final was Barcelona which the excursion was good but we could of done with stopping a few more times than we did. However each port had many different excursions to keep everyone happy. The first day of sailing the sea was a bit rough but then it calmed down and it was steady. The Andromeda restaurant was 24 buffet. Which was great but also because of the ask cloud they didn't have complete supplies. However the food was varied. The Orion restaurant was waiting service which was perfect size meals and didn't leave you stuffed. The entertainment was brilliant. Abba night was the first night, then a show covering Italian and French songs. The 3 lads had brilliant voices and brought a tear to my eye when they sang one song in Italian. The next night was a comedian with Cabaret in later evening. We had Mr & Mrs game show, Men V's Women and Play your cards Right which all brought many laughs. When we came to the last day and leaving the ship it was a bit hectic. Thomson had managed to space all the flights 10 Min's apart, which would of been fine. However we were asked to leave the ship 10 Min's before our coach was due to leave and backlog became a problem so everyone was waiting to leave the ship. But again I'm sure this will be sorted and it was Thomson Dreams first cruise with Thomson. Overall I loved it and although there were a few problems, I'm sure theses will be solved in cruises to come. Read Less
Sail Date: April 2010
As you can imagine this cruise was expensive as I paid for all the passengers to celebrate my 60th birthday. We did not know we were travelling until less than 24 hours before departing for the aiport because of the ash cloud. When ... Read More
As you can imagine this cruise was expensive as I paid for all the passengers to celebrate my 60th birthday. We did not know we were travelling until less than 24 hours before departing for the aiport because of the ash cloud. When arriving at the port we already knew that Thomson Dream had been involved in a serious collision when owned by Costa. We could see the damage to the hull caused by this collision. We had problems from the beginning right through to the end of this cruise and although it was the inaugral cruise for Thomson Dream I was of the opinion that the ship was not fit for its purpose throughout. During the cruise the problems encountered included damp carpets, sewage smells, air conditioning at fault, hot water problems, cold food, swimming pool with unclean water in it, open wiring and engines not functioning properly. We also encountered minor problems that were never dealt with e.g. not being able to open the safe, not being able to use The Grill restaurant because it didn't exist. Not being able to use the whirl pools as they were covered throughout the trip, not receiving my champagne that was bought for me etc, etc. I have written to Thomson's After Travel Customer Support Team but am not satisfied by their response. I will therefore be taking legal action against Thomson/TUI UK Ltd. We know of other sets of passengers on board who were very upset. We believe one set to be a lady who had taken her family on board and another family who were extremely upset because their children could not use the swimming pool. I would be interested to receive email responses or further comments about this cruise which was between the dates of 22nd April 2010 and 27th April 2010. Read Less
Sail Date: April 2010
This was our first cruise which we booked the day before travelling after our Thomson Spirit cruise had been cancelled due to the volcanic ash. I had read a lot of the threads on this forum and felt that I knew what to expect on the ... Read More
This was our first cruise which we booked the day before travelling after our Thomson Spirit cruise had been cancelled due to the volcanic ash. I had read a lot of the threads on this forum and felt that I knew what to expect on the Spirit. I looked at the Thomson brochure and website and read the hype about the Dream being the flagship of the Thomson fleet, so set off on our cruise expecting even more. Our disappointment started shortly after leaving Palma airport. We were on coach 3 of about 15. There had been 5 Thomson's flights all arriving within 15 minutes of each other from various parts of the country. A rep got on board the coach and told us that as soon as the coach was full we would set off to the port where someone would explain the check in procedure. The rep then left the coach and we set off. We had already seen The Dream in port from our plane as we came in to land. As we arrived at the port the driver drove past the security gates we then heard sirens as the port police flagged us down in their car. There was a loud exchange between the police and the driver, in Spanish, we then turned around and drove out of the port. Nobody knew what was going on until we eventually realised that the Dream was berthed in a different part of the port with a separate entrance. Once we got to the right place a rep boarded our coach and explained that when told to do so we had to leave the coach and go into the terminal building where we would be given an envelope with our boarding cards and a sheet of stickers to put on our luggage, which had been taken to a different shed. It took ages to get to the table where we collected our boarding cards as there was a bottleneck caused by the ships photographer. Once we got the boarding cards we had to queue again to get them activated and register our credit card. We then had to go to find our luggage and stick the stickers on before finally boarding the ship. It was pouring down and we had to run from one building to another to do this. This whole process took well over an hour and a half to complete and there were still massive queues behind us. We had all been on flights that took off around 6:00am and by this time were tired and weary. Some of the more elderly passengers looked fit to drop, as there was nowhere to sit nor was there any complimentary drinks provided. When we came to board the ship we found that the person who had activated the boarding cards had linked my card to my wife's photo and vice versa so we had to swap cards. When we finally got to our cabin we were exhausted but found that the cabin door did not have a key in it like all the others. We found a member of the housekeeping staff who opened the door with a passkey and told us that the cabin was already being used by a member of staff. We were then taken to the Customer Services desk to be allocated another cabin. When we got there the queue was very long. After a while we got another cabin and were escorted to it by a member of staff. Concerned that our luggage now had the wrong labels stuck on them we looked out for our cases as we passed the lift. Luckily for us we managed to spot both our cases and took them with us. Some people didn't find their luggage until the following day. We got to the corridor that lead to our cabin but found it was blocked by a couple of maintenance guys who had the tiles off the ceiling and what looked and smelled like raw sewage was dripping down from the ceiling on to the floor. We took a detour and finally got to our new cabin which was quite spacious and clean. The bathroom and particularly the bath could have been cleaner. On the first night I had a shower and my wife took a bath. The water didn't drain away so we reported it to the crew member who looked after our cabin before we went to dinner but nothing got done about it. In the morning my wife got up to go to the morning fitness session with the spa team but this didn't go ahead for some reason. With the bath was still full of water and we had to shower with old bathwater up to our ankles. In fairness, we then reported the problem to reception and an engineer came to fix it within 45 minutes, which was quite impressive. After we had unpacked the first thing on our minds was food. We went to the Andromeda Restaurant where a buffet lunch was being served. The plastic plates didn't really live up to our expectations but the brightly coloured plastic mugs, many of which were badly tea stained, were certainly not what we had expected. The food however was reasonable although a little cold after waiting for such a long time in the queue. The itinerary said that we were due to sail from Palma at 23:00 but the cruise news which we found in our cabin after lunch said we were sailing at 18:00. It also said that the lido bar, where we were supposed to be meeting other Cruise Critic members at 22:30, was due to close at 19:00. We took some time to explore the ship after lunch and soon discovered that the lifts were slow and not very responsive when called, but we put this down to so many people on the move at the same time due to just getting on board. We later discovered that the problems with the lifts were not only were they slow but, although they stated that they had a capacity for 10 people, they refused to move if more than four people was in them. This was very frustrating and as a consequence we ended up using the stairs most of the time. We made our way up to deck 11, via the stairs, where the main pool is situated and sat and had a drink. When I asked for a draught beer the waitress said that they didn't have any in this bar but if I would wait a few minutes she would go another bar on the deck below to fetch me one, which she did. I must say at this point that throughout the cruise the waiters both in the bar areas and the restaurants were excellent. Very friendly and attentive, as were the housekeeping staff that looked after the cabins. The problem was that they were very disorganised and obviously not well managed. We sat enjoying our drinks. Suddenly some powerful water jets started in the pool a bit like a fountain. I say water jets, what was coming out for quite some time was brown sludge. Once I had seen that I don't think that I would have been happy to go in that pool. The public areas of the ship were clean but looked a little 'tired' in places. As you walked around the ship every now and then you would encounter some terrible smells which could be put into one of two different categories, either sewage or an oily engineering type smell. They didn't seem to appear in the same places you would just walk around a corner and it would hit you. One day we went up to the Andromeda restaurant, just to get a cup of coffee and sit out on the deck but the sewage smell was lingering outside the restaurant entrance. If we had been going there for something to eat that would have put us both off. We always ate in the Orion restaurant which we both enjoyed enormously. We usually opted to sit with others at the larger tables where we met some very nice and interesting people. The menus in the Orion were very good but at busier times service became very slow, with one couple telling us that their meal the day before had taken two and half hours from start to finish. We went in for lunch one day and as we were going on an excursion that was leaving at 13:15 we went to the restaurant at 12:00. We ordered a three course meal but after an hour and a quarter we had to leave to get on the coach without having had our dessert. Most of the problems so far, with the exception of the lifts, the smells and the sewage incident, were down to poor organisation which should be easily rectified. For example one night I went to the Ocean bar. As I stood at the bar there was four waiters standing at one end of the bar all waiting for drinks orders they had taken to be fulfilled and about five other passengers stood waiting to be served. There was only one person working behind the bar and he was making cocktails. Probably the most worrying thing of all was when we arrived at Villefranche. Because the port is too small for cruise ships to berth there they have to anchor in the bay and use tenders to ferry passengers to the shore. The tenders, which also double as lifeboats, were lowered from the ship into the water and began to take passengers ashore. As we were booked on an excursion we were one of the first to go. When we boarded the tender it brought home the fact that the ship is actually 24 years old! If the ship itself looked tired, the tenders looked like they should have long since been retired. As we were about halfway from ship to shore a message came over the radio from the bridge. It was very loud and everyone on the tender could hear the bridge ask the person in charge of our tender if he had managed to get the steering working properly yet. We landed at the port without incident but a little apprehensive. Others we spoke to later told us how one of the tenders, upon reaching port, could not manoeuvre to the quayside properly and was sent back to the ship by the port authorities while still full of passengers. Once they got back to the ship they had trouble manoeuvring to the landing deck on the ship. A different member of staff then took to the wheel and took the passengers back to shore. On one of the other tenders the engine cut out on the way between the shore and the ship and would not restart but managed to drift to the landing platform. One of the passengers on board questioned what would have happened in an emergency with the engine not working and all she got was a shrug of their shoulders. Also at Villefranche we were joined by a further 172 passengers who were on a 'cruise taster', and had been flown into Nice airport. The service, which was slow before they arrived, became even slower. The Cruise News, which we had been advised to read from cover to cover as it provided invaluable information, was inaccurate most days. It always stated where the gangway would be for the following day. On two occasions, including the last day, the information was wrong causing disruption and frustration to many of the passengers. One night we felt a little peckish so decided to go to the Andromeda restaurant for a snack before bed. It was about 23:35 when we went and as the restaurant was due to open for its late night buffet at 23:30 we thought everything would still be nice and fresh. Quite a few other people must have thought the same as us because there were about 20 people sitting waiting for the shutters to open and the food to be served. That didn't happen until around 23:55. There were a number of people complaining but the restaurant staff was still not prepared to open on time, even though the food had been prepared and could be seen behind the shutters. There were also a number of advertised amenities that were not open or were unavailable. These included the Sirens restaurant, The Grill (which as far as we could see didn't even exist!), The Delo bar and the whirlpools which were at the side of the main pool but never had any water in them. Disembarkation was also a farce. First of all everyone went to deck 4 as advised in the Cruise News when in fact the gangway was on deck 6. Then there was the mass luggage hunt as everyone on the ship seemed to get off at exactly the same time. There was only a 10 minute slot arranged for each flight to get off find their cases and get on board a coach. That was never going to happen. On the positive side the entertainment was quite good. The second nights show being by far the best. Stephen Guy did an after show session which was also very good as was the guest comedian Dave Kristian who did two spots, one on Saturday and one on Monday. All the staff was nice, polite and very helpful. The Orion restaurant was very good, with a good menu choice and excellent food. The service in this restaurant however did vary and could be quite slow, especially towards the end of the cruise. We also liked the Ocean bar with resident entertainers The Albert Duo. This was a quieter bar so service here was generally quite good. The cruise wasn't anywhere near what we had expected and although some of the problems were quite minor and could be put down to teething troubles there was so many of them that it did become an issue in itself. There were no chocolates on our pillows or towel animals in our room or any of the little luxuries that we were so looking forward to. I just hope things improve for future travellers on the Dream, especially the safety issues that we encountered. Tommy Read Less
Marella Dream Ratings
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Cabins 4.0 0.0
Dining 4.0 0.0
Entertainment 4.0 0.0
Public Rooms 4.0 0.0
Fitness Recreation 4.0 0.0
Family 4.0 0.0
Shore Excursion 4.0 0.0
Enrichment 3.0 0.0
Service 5.0 0.0
Value For Money 4.0 0.0
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